All of this is terrific. I especially like your last point about decoupling LGB from TQ+. When I was still trying to discuss exploration of psychological distress with my son, I tried to point out how being gay, lesbian, or bi didn’t require one to actively harm one’s body. There’s a difference between liking whichever sex attracts you and disliking your own body so much (for whatever true or displaced reasons) you feel you have to commit major body modification. I couldn’t get through to him and get him real help to explore his distress - he’s disappeared from my life. I hope your daughter finds her way back you someday. This ideology is just heinous.
Really sorry to hear that, for all of our sakes, I hope we can find a way to return to reason, reality and rationality. Much love to you. Power and strength to all parents
Thanks so much for your great posts! I'm so sorry about your daughter. I have one too that has been captured by gender ideology. I have a threadlike hold on her. I text her and she rarely replies. She's become another person who I don't recognize. She's 21 and I keep hoping and praying she will wake up someday. I hope they all will!!
Stay strong Felicia, love and hugs go out to you. There's a lot of good people here who will know what you're going through, so you're not alone & we all give you and your daughter our unconditional love and support
It's so heartbreaking to see our own kid fall into the hole, but to witness all the heartache by other parents. Try to keep the communication going. I too text my son with anything that reminds me of him and then of course birthday wishes. I have never gotten a response in many years now. I have no idea if he even gets them. Today is his 25th, I so wish he had magically awakened to a fully formed adult brain and realize how wrong he is. Peace and strength to you.
I'm constantly trying to keep eyes and ears open to this, in the hopes that therapists might contribute their thoughts. But I no longer have much regard for Genspect I'm afraid due to their platforming and soft-soaping of dangerous men who should really be ignored rather than given social value and currency in attempts to "bring ALL voices onboard". One of the reasons I particularly highlighted Joe Burgo and Jonathan Shedler was because they are MEN who see it and show some understanding of how these various forces act on vulnerable young people. Therapists who are broadly "GC" can have huge platforms and status when theorising professionally about this or that, but parents need to work harder to promote and "affirm" these therapists theories because they suffer the reality/actuality of these theories acted out by their children. Thanks for your response Lola, sorry I took you further down, but I hope things will improve for you and your family with the continued push for understanding
This is an excellent point, especially when you consider that so many normal (albeit challenging) traits and behaviors of adolescence overlap with BPD traits, which is why so many psychologists are hesitant to diagnose it in adolescents except in the most extreme cases. But even in those adolescent cases that are extreme enough to get that early BPD diagnosis, one study showed that ~60-65% of those teens no longer qualified for the diagnosis after two years. So considering that so much of this ideology encourages and exploits the natural BPD traits found in adolescents, I think there is very much a case to be made for some sort of "(temporary) rapid onset BPD" from friends and online influences or even an iatrogenic BPD caused by therapists, doctors, teachers, and counselors pushing these BPD-like ideas onto kids in their course of "treating" and "supporting" these young people.
That's a REALLY interesting point :-O about whether or not we recognise some sort of "temporary" condition, particularly where it might couple-up with other teenage propensities at critical developmental stages, like being vulnerable to contagion, or a plethora of anxieties and concerns around emerging sexual orientation &/or comparison with peers
Great post! Stephanie Winn talks about how most of these kids have Cluster B type "traits". In quotes as she views it as a contagion itself and many are just acting because they have been influenced by those they see online. She talks about it in one of her podcasts.
All of this is terrific. I especially like your last point about decoupling LGB from TQ+. When I was still trying to discuss exploration of psychological distress with my son, I tried to point out how being gay, lesbian, or bi didn’t require one to actively harm one’s body. There’s a difference between liking whichever sex attracts you and disliking your own body so much (for whatever true or displaced reasons) you feel you have to commit major body modification. I couldn’t get through to him and get him real help to explore his distress - he’s disappeared from my life. I hope your daughter finds her way back you someday. This ideology is just heinous.
I'm so sorry you are also estranged. It's heartbreaking what this cult does to families. Peace and strength to you.
Really sorry to hear that, for all of our sakes, I hope we can find a way to return to reason, reality and rationality. Much love to you. Power and strength to all parents
Thanks so much for your great posts! I'm so sorry about your daughter. I have one too that has been captured by gender ideology. I have a threadlike hold on her. I text her and she rarely replies. She's become another person who I don't recognize. She's 21 and I keep hoping and praying she will wake up someday. I hope they all will!!
Stay strong Felicia, love and hugs go out to you. There's a lot of good people here who will know what you're going through, so you're not alone & we all give you and your daughter our unconditional love and support
It's so heartbreaking to see our own kid fall into the hole, but to witness all the heartache by other parents. Try to keep the communication going. I too text my son with anything that reminds me of him and then of course birthday wishes. I have never gotten a response in many years now. I have no idea if he even gets them. Today is his 25th, I so wish he had magically awakened to a fully formed adult brain and realize how wrong he is. Peace and strength to you.
Very sad Mama Bear, very sad 😔
You've just taken me further down the rabbit hole, just when I thought I was nearing the bottom.
My sister was diagnosed with BPD in her early 20s. The explanation given here as to the mindset of BPDs, fits her perfectly.
Are we actually dealing with Rapid Onset BPD? Or, acknowledging detransitioners and regretful transitioned, perhaps Temporary Rapid Onset BPD?
I'm constantly trying to keep eyes and ears open to this, in the hopes that therapists might contribute their thoughts. But I no longer have much regard for Genspect I'm afraid due to their platforming and soft-soaping of dangerous men who should really be ignored rather than given social value and currency in attempts to "bring ALL voices onboard". One of the reasons I particularly highlighted Joe Burgo and Jonathan Shedler was because they are MEN who see it and show some understanding of how these various forces act on vulnerable young people. Therapists who are broadly "GC" can have huge platforms and status when theorising professionally about this or that, but parents need to work harder to promote and "affirm" these therapists theories because they suffer the reality/actuality of these theories acted out by their children. Thanks for your response Lola, sorry I took you further down, but I hope things will improve for you and your family with the continued push for understanding
Thanks Denton ☺️
This is an excellent point, especially when you consider that so many normal (albeit challenging) traits and behaviors of adolescence overlap with BPD traits, which is why so many psychologists are hesitant to diagnose it in adolescents except in the most extreme cases. But even in those adolescent cases that are extreme enough to get that early BPD diagnosis, one study showed that ~60-65% of those teens no longer qualified for the diagnosis after two years. So considering that so much of this ideology encourages and exploits the natural BPD traits found in adolescents, I think there is very much a case to be made for some sort of "(temporary) rapid onset BPD" from friends and online influences or even an iatrogenic BPD caused by therapists, doctors, teachers, and counselors pushing these BPD-like ideas onto kids in their course of "treating" and "supporting" these young people.
That's a REALLY interesting point :-O about whether or not we recognise some sort of "temporary" condition, particularly where it might couple-up with other teenage propensities at critical developmental stages, like being vulnerable to contagion, or a plethora of anxieties and concerns around emerging sexual orientation &/or comparison with peers
That's very interesting. Thanks for your comment.
My heart aches for your family.
Great post! Stephanie Winn talks about how most of these kids have Cluster B type "traits". In quotes as she views it as a contagion itself and many are just acting because they have been influenced by those they see online. She talks about it in one of her podcasts.
Thanks for the info on Stepanie Winn. I looked her up and will watch her videos!!
She's great isn't she, I also love the way Eliza Mondegreen @elizamondegreen writes too, she seems to articulate it all so well