{“if everyone around me says it’s OK, then I suppose it must be”. How dangerous this has proved to be. }
Unfortunately, most of the not so religious people who are not "yet" hurt by this movement think , people who oppose this freedom are conservatives and since I'm not a conservative , I should stand with the others. And currently only the conservative right wing media covers the opposing voices and their argument is based on religion. If we can agree on using a more unifying terminology I believe our voices would grow exponentially.
Deeply deeply dismaying, and I so wish it would end. But don't you think gender identity ideology is to the detriment of ALL - poisonous for the whole of society, not just women and children? Lovely young men (read/listen to de-transitioners Limpida, TullipR, Cut Down Tree, Robin, Isaac (Cluniac) etc) were all caught up in and seduced by it. Not in the least because they hate/hated women, but because in their cases they seemed to have had no-one in their lives who routinely combatted the insidiously male-negative culture we're saturated in [not hard to find evidence of feminist rhetoric in every nursery/primary school in the land, so it starts young]. That lack, in combination with their own personal experiences/ idiosyncrasies/vulnerabilities as they were growing up, seemed to create a pretty heady cocktail of confusion, 'grooming' them into fearing and loathing men, into fearing and loathing their own burgeoning [perfectly normal] adult masculinity: The ideology gave them a way to escape being 'toxic' men, to 'purify' themselves, gave them a justification for their anxieties and difficulties. It's tragic. And I want it to stop.
Hi Thanks Heloise, yes I absolutely do think it's detrimental to all. I follow at least 3 of those detransitions you mentioned and I find TullipR's tweets particularly insightful and honest. The reason I focussed so much on girls and young women (as most detrimentally impacted by this appalling ideology) is simply because there are so many more of them, and I see our own daughters path of transition repeated and described so often elsewhere - I don't have any experience, personally, of seeing or experiencing the impact of grooming and affirmation on a boy/young man. I was hoping to write a piece specifically about this later on - it's simply too much to attempt all at the same time. If you'd like to contribute something of your own experience I can always share it here
I still find it impossible to fully understand the widespread indifference in society at large, hence the compulsion to write this, and seek the views of others. I certainly want to know what others think about how and when it will stop.
I share your incomprehension, and completely understand the compulsion to expose what's happening. Anger and disbelief have finally compelled me to join twitter, venturing into an online world totally alien to me - a hermit by nature - feeling I'm complicit in the horror if I don't throw in my little voice against it; desperate to stop it. Talking online to strangers.
I have a 13 year-old son. An only child, and his father died in 2020 after a grisly year-long decline with MND, so no man in the house just demonstrating [simply by being a man] ordinary un-woke masculinity. I miss that. My son needs it. On and off battling with my son's schools since he was 8, when I objected to the despicable PSHE resource materials destined for use in their lessons, and questioned the notion of 'trans' being anything other than a delusion. All much worse now. Trying to get his secondary heads to understand the fire they're playing with. Trying to protect my son. Stony silence from all but one other parent I've contacted. I keep asking myself, who ARE these insane adults affirming children in such an absurd delusion...oh christ, they're my nice FRIENDS, well-meaning-but-misguided teachers at my son's school, doctors, therapists...
Henry David Thoreaux (I to Myself. Aug 1851):'The question is not what you look at, but what you see.'
They're looking at the same thing we are. I don't know why they don't see. A good friend I've known since I was a baby sent a terse email the other day saying my views on the matter are 'garbage'. All those poor children and young people being ensnared. All those distraught parents and disintegrating friendships. It's heartbreaking.
I'm so sorry, you describe your situation and concerns so well, it must be really tough. I've had similar fractures with friends I trusted, who - when faced with a clear presentation of the facts surrounding our daughters transition and subsequent estrangement, became agitated, sweaty and very uncomfortable, and refused to believe what I was telling them.
One person in particular was a medical/anatomy lecturer, a very lovely human being too, all the good qualities - listening, sensitive, self-deprecating, witty, intelligent, compassionate etc- a university lecturer who eventually came up with the soft-soaping "Well I hear what you say, although I myself have never seen the evidence" So here, having invested a huge amount of trust in one individual to even begin to describe the psychic violence and trauma we'd been subjected to, disbelieved and dismissed our trauma because His expert knowledge trumps my truth, my experience, our reality. I felt completely betrayed and lost trust in my own judgements. How could I have got it so wrong?
I've lost work from people I've opened up to - and probably shouldn't - I guess I'm toxic to know. But I've realised that some people are confronted with a truth they never ever imagined possible; their sense of themselves as "good" people, kind to others etc etc suddenly exposed. They might have got this whole thing wrong, they might have helped a student socially transition and this guy's telling how everything went wrong, how the child was abused by others, how a child can turn on their parents and exclude them from their lives! "WTF this is too much to deal with". And they double-down, and dig in deeper, to protect themselves from being asked to SEE, and not to LOOK
Indeed. They won't go down without a protracted and very bitter fight. Imagine being a parent who has sanctioned and facilitated such appalling psychological and physical damage to their own child. To accept they are/were mistaken is to acknowledge the horrific responsibility they bear for what they have done. A near-impossible pill to swallow.
Keep writing. Your voice is adding to the growing clamour.
Add to this the trauma-inducing line about women being "objectified" and in constant danger of being raped and disrespected in this so-called "patriarchy" (which it no longer is but I digress) and you get girls desperate to become males...indeed many detransitioners claim that being "objectified" and weathering "unwanted comments" etc is what caused them to transition to male. So to sum up, a toxic "progressive" oppression narrative is conditioning males to become females, and females to become males, consequently sterilizing a significant percentage of this generation...it's also worthy of note that the Shakers, a feminist utopian community, basically rendered itself practically extinct with its aversion to sex.
I think sometimes, the simple truth for many girls is simply that, for a whole bunch of reasons, being a girl is not good enough. Being male is a gain, being female is a loss
{“if everyone around me says it’s OK, then I suppose it must be”. How dangerous this has proved to be. }
Unfortunately, most of the not so religious people who are not "yet" hurt by this movement think , people who oppose this freedom are conservatives and since I'm not a conservative , I should stand with the others. And currently only the conservative right wing media covers the opposing voices and their argument is based on religion. If we can agree on using a more unifying terminology I believe our voices would grow exponentially.
Deeply deeply dismaying, and I so wish it would end. But don't you think gender identity ideology is to the detriment of ALL - poisonous for the whole of society, not just women and children? Lovely young men (read/listen to de-transitioners Limpida, TullipR, Cut Down Tree, Robin, Isaac (Cluniac) etc) were all caught up in and seduced by it. Not in the least because they hate/hated women, but because in their cases they seemed to have had no-one in their lives who routinely combatted the insidiously male-negative culture we're saturated in [not hard to find evidence of feminist rhetoric in every nursery/primary school in the land, so it starts young]. That lack, in combination with their own personal experiences/ idiosyncrasies/vulnerabilities as they were growing up, seemed to create a pretty heady cocktail of confusion, 'grooming' them into fearing and loathing men, into fearing and loathing their own burgeoning [perfectly normal] adult masculinity: The ideology gave them a way to escape being 'toxic' men, to 'purify' themselves, gave them a justification for their anxieties and difficulties. It's tragic. And I want it to stop.
Hi Thanks Heloise, yes I absolutely do think it's detrimental to all. I follow at least 3 of those detransitions you mentioned and I find TullipR's tweets particularly insightful and honest. The reason I focussed so much on girls and young women (as most detrimentally impacted by this appalling ideology) is simply because there are so many more of them, and I see our own daughters path of transition repeated and described so often elsewhere - I don't have any experience, personally, of seeing or experiencing the impact of grooming and affirmation on a boy/young man. I was hoping to write a piece specifically about this later on - it's simply too much to attempt all at the same time. If you'd like to contribute something of your own experience I can always share it here
I still find it impossible to fully understand the widespread indifference in society at large, hence the compulsion to write this, and seek the views of others. I certainly want to know what others think about how and when it will stop.
I share your incomprehension, and completely understand the compulsion to expose what's happening. Anger and disbelief have finally compelled me to join twitter, venturing into an online world totally alien to me - a hermit by nature - feeling I'm complicit in the horror if I don't throw in my little voice against it; desperate to stop it. Talking online to strangers.
I have a 13 year-old son. An only child, and his father died in 2020 after a grisly year-long decline with MND, so no man in the house just demonstrating [simply by being a man] ordinary un-woke masculinity. I miss that. My son needs it. On and off battling with my son's schools since he was 8, when I objected to the despicable PSHE resource materials destined for use in their lessons, and questioned the notion of 'trans' being anything other than a delusion. All much worse now. Trying to get his secondary heads to understand the fire they're playing with. Trying to protect my son. Stony silence from all but one other parent I've contacted. I keep asking myself, who ARE these insane adults affirming children in such an absurd delusion...oh christ, they're my nice FRIENDS, well-meaning-but-misguided teachers at my son's school, doctors, therapists...
Henry David Thoreaux (I to Myself. Aug 1851):'The question is not what you look at, but what you see.'
They're looking at the same thing we are. I don't know why they don't see. A good friend I've known since I was a baby sent a terse email the other day saying my views on the matter are 'garbage'. All those poor children and young people being ensnared. All those distraught parents and disintegrating friendships. It's heartbreaking.
I'm so sorry, you describe your situation and concerns so well, it must be really tough. I've had similar fractures with friends I trusted, who - when faced with a clear presentation of the facts surrounding our daughters transition and subsequent estrangement, became agitated, sweaty and very uncomfortable, and refused to believe what I was telling them.
One person in particular was a medical/anatomy lecturer, a very lovely human being too, all the good qualities - listening, sensitive, self-deprecating, witty, intelligent, compassionate etc- a university lecturer who eventually came up with the soft-soaping "Well I hear what you say, although I myself have never seen the evidence" So here, having invested a huge amount of trust in one individual to even begin to describe the psychic violence and trauma we'd been subjected to, disbelieved and dismissed our trauma because His expert knowledge trumps my truth, my experience, our reality. I felt completely betrayed and lost trust in my own judgements. How could I have got it so wrong?
I've lost work from people I've opened up to - and probably shouldn't - I guess I'm toxic to know. But I've realised that some people are confronted with a truth they never ever imagined possible; their sense of themselves as "good" people, kind to others etc etc suddenly exposed. They might have got this whole thing wrong, they might have helped a student socially transition and this guy's telling how everything went wrong, how the child was abused by others, how a child can turn on their parents and exclude them from their lives! "WTF this is too much to deal with". And they double-down, and dig in deeper, to protect themselves from being asked to SEE, and not to LOOK
Indeed. They won't go down without a protracted and very bitter fight. Imagine being a parent who has sanctioned and facilitated such appalling psychological and physical damage to their own child. To accept they are/were mistaken is to acknowledge the horrific responsibility they bear for what they have done. A near-impossible pill to swallow.
Keep writing. Your voice is adding to the growing clamour.
Add to this the trauma-inducing line about women being "objectified" and in constant danger of being raped and disrespected in this so-called "patriarchy" (which it no longer is but I digress) and you get girls desperate to become males...indeed many detransitioners claim that being "objectified" and weathering "unwanted comments" etc is what caused them to transition to male. So to sum up, a toxic "progressive" oppression narrative is conditioning males to become females, and females to become males, consequently sterilizing a significant percentage of this generation...it's also worthy of note that the Shakers, a feminist utopian community, basically rendered itself practically extinct with its aversion to sex.
I think sometimes, the simple truth for many girls is simply that, for a whole bunch of reasons, being a girl is not good enough. Being male is a gain, being female is a loss